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Re: New Popular Film Oscar

Postby James » September 9th, 2018, 1:56 am

Here's my solution for the Academy. Look to the founding fathers of the United States! Laws are voted on by two chambers of Congress, elected by 50 states, some of which are larger than others: the Senate (where every state is equal) and the House (where state voting is determined by population). The President is elected using a similar system of equal and weighted voting.

How does this apply here? The Academy has something like 17 to 18 branches, some with more members than others. The actors branch is by far the most populous, so their vote has a huge weight. They probably vote for a lot of the more artsy films. The visual effects branch, with a much smaller membership, probably prefers more of the popular fare. The other branches probably fall somewhere between.

So here's my idea. Have the nominations for Best Picture be decided where each branch's votes count equally (like the Senate). So even though the actors may have three times the members as the cinematographers, their choices count for the same number of votes. This should produce a much more diverse set of nominees. Once the five to ten films are chosen, then the entire membership votes on the winner (like the House). Here the actors will have numbers on their side, but the movies they have to choose from will be very different.

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Re: New Popular Film Oscar

Postby Bill1978 » September 9th, 2018, 6:01 am

I like that idea it sounds like a better way to get the Best Picture nominations.

But after a quick play around at Box Office Mojo, I do think some of the blame for the disconnect between publics and the awards, is that the public just doesn't show up to non flashy films like they use to. For example, according to their calculators if Driving Miss Daisy was released in 2018 it would have made around $233 million dollars. That's just unheard of for a 'simple' film these days. I know some people don't agree with that movie winning Best Picture but at least it never had the stigma of anyone questioning 'What is this movie that's been nominated?'

I also think the increase to 10 films for Best Picture has happened the overall feel of the Oscars. Traditionally Best Picture tended to walk away with the most Oscars. To me that makes sense. These days I feel the Academy voters feel that every Best Picture nominee needs to walk away with at least one statuette which ends up diluting the chance of a film dominating. So you get a situation where a movie like Spotlight is Best Picture with only one other Golden Guy given to it. If it is worthy of Best Picture then surely other areas were quality as well. And whether I agree with the overall results or not, it still seems bizarre that Mad Max: Fury Road wins 6 awards but isn't considered the Best Picture, especially when it defeats Revenant in many of the categories they were head to head in. If I was a voter I would be voting in every category and then adding up which one I have given the most awards to and then giving it the Best Picture.

In summary, Hollywood needs to make prestigious films more accessible to the public, the public needs to step up and see non flashy films again in the cinema and the voters need to get their act together so overall voting makes sense when the awards are given out.

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Re: New Popular Film Oscar

Postby ShyViolet » September 9th, 2018, 7:02 am

Agree agree agree!! :)


Also I was kinda thinking about this subject lately and for some reason Titanic came to my mind...there is not a chance in h*** that this film could have ever gotten bankrolled today by ANY studio...just wouldn’t happen. (Heck, it was hard enough 20 years ago and it got pushed back three times! :? ).

It’s hard to remember now what a gigantic gamble it really was: Three hours long, (considerably less common then), we essentially already know the ending, it stars one moderately well-known actor who’s mostly only been in independent films, and an actress almost no one one’s heard of. It’s a tragic love story directed by the Terminator/Aliens guy in what’s basically a disaster movie. Oh, and it’s the most expensive film ever made.

It’s easy for us from our vantage point to say the studio was wrong to have trepidation, but back then everyone was talking about how this movie would almost invariably bomb and James Cameron would never work again. Of course they were wrong, but just the fact that in the end Fox agreed to trust Cameron even with everything shows how much things have changed. By and large, Hollywood has never had much respect for the audience’s intelligence, but back then they were willing to take a leap of faith with Titanic. (As they did with A Beautiful Mind, Schindler’s List and American Beauty—all critically revered Best Picture winners that did extremely good box office—yes, even the three-hour long, black and white Schindler’s List.)

I really think it would help our society if people started going to cinemas to see these kinds of films again. There’s so much cynicism, nihilism and callousness/cruelty in social media/newsfeeds/TV shows/tired raunchy comedies/the world itself that seeing something that’s provocative as well as inspiring
might add the one thing we truly need right now, perhaps more than any other time in history: hope.
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Re: New Popular Film Oscar

Postby James » September 9th, 2018, 12:56 pm

The reason people don’t see those kinds of movies any more is that the cost of going to the movies is astronomical. So people only go to movies they know they’re going to like. Why risk $70 bucks? I think eventually MoviePass is going to be proven a trailblazer and all the theatre chains will offer a subscription service.

But that only fixes one side of the equation, moviegoers. Hollywood needs to accept that some of the blockbuster films are worthy of recognition as well.

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Re: New Popular Film Oscar

Postby Ben » September 9th, 2018, 3:37 pm

Kind of all what I said a fair few posts back. But with the cost of movies, I think people go for spectacle rather than what they know they’re going to like. I mean, that’s the *hope*, but so many times we hear the "that wasn’t as good as I thought it was going to be" complaint.

That said, I wasn’t impressed with one single Oscar frontrunner at the last awards either.

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Re: New Popular Film Oscar

Postby Randall » September 9th, 2018, 4:13 pm

Right. I only go to the theatre if it's a big event SpFX film (or if my wife drags me out on date night to see a rom-com). Anything else I can just see at home. Of course, I have a nice home theatre, though not as nice as Ben's.