SPIDEY 4 becomes AMAZING becomes Marvel's SPIDER-MAN

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Re: SPIDEY 4 becomes AMAZING SPIDER MAN

Postby Dan » March 21st, 2016, 5:53 pm

An interesting analysis by Screen Crush on why the Amazing series was a disappointment from the word go.

Source: http://screencrush.com/the-amazing-spider-man-series-what-went-wrong/

Also, I'm thinking the thread title might need changing if we're going to use this to discuss the MCU Spidey. Just a thought. :wink:

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Re: SPIDEY 4 becomes AMAZING becomes Marvel's SPIDER-MAN

Postby Ben » March 21st, 2016, 6:21 pm

Funny enough, before I read your post, I was thinking the exact same thing! Done! :)

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Re: SPIDEY 4 becomes AMAZING SPIDER MAN

Postby EricJ » March 21st, 2016, 11:13 pm

Dan wrote:An interesting analysis by Screen Crush on why the Amazing series was a disappointment from the word go.

Source: http://screencrush.com/the-amazing-spider-man-series-what-went-wrong/


Okay, Electro gets passing mentioned in a paragraph, but not one joke about not only turning him into an idiotically pandering and way, way, wayyy off-comic "Revenge of the nerd" character--which had just about every fan quoting Jim Carrey Riddler lines from Batman Forever ("You were suh-posed to under-stand!")--but also throwing in an ambiguously gay "They're persecuting me and it's NOT MY FAULT!" tone to the character that borders seriously on the Tim Burton. Yes, the worst of Batman Returns, and the worst of Batman Forever, now packed together in ONE film!
There were online fan what-if discussions where Garfield and the fans were throwing around "Hey, like, what if they made Peter Parker gay in the third movie, wouldn't that be, like, really progressive?" They wouldn't, of course, since they were trying to work MJ into the third movie, but er......boyyy, would it not be that far a stretch after the second movie.
Just freakin' saying. :?

Reducing Rhino to a joke?--That we could maybe take. Promoting him on the poster as a major player in the movie despite five minutes of screen time at the beginning and five minutes at the end, and just used as nothing more than a 70's TV-show "End-credits freeze-frame"? THAT officially steps over the line. Even Venom in Raimi #3 got a least a respectable ending fight.
And now that they finally got Green Goblin right, or at least closer to the nasty tone of the original comic character than Willem Dafoe's Mecha-Joker...did they have to stuff that into the last five minutes of the movie, too, just so we could get more scenes of Peter and Harry being best emo-pals?

There is such a thing as a "Franchise killer". You have to see movies like this to understand what the term truly means. No one could make a third movie after this, even if they wanted to.

Also, I'm thinking the thread title might need changing if we're going to use this to discuss the MCU Spidey. Just a thought. :wink:


I say we abandon it altogether, and pretend the Amazing series never happened. (Assuming the MCU Spidey brings the snark that Amazing finally brought in, which,from the Civil War trailers, we can assume they did.)
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Re: SPIDEY 4 becomes AMAZING SPIDER MAN

Postby EricJ » March 21st, 2016, 11:22 pm

Amazing Spider-Man 2 is marginally better than its predecessor, largely because it has a few more highlights (like the thrilling opening chase through New York), but it’s still a deeply confused movie. It can’t decide whether it’s a colorful popcorn blockbuster or a bleak refutation of colorful popcorn blockbusters. At least Webb had the good sense not to conclude the movie with its original ending, where Richard Parker randomly shows up after decades in hiding to give Peter a rambling pep talk.


Yeah, that would explain a lot of things. (Like why Sony stuffed in another marketable villain at the end.)
Basically, it's a transition: The Raimi movies showed it could be done, the Webb movies got too overconfident with the Times Square battles, but finally refined the in-suit comic character (Peter out of the suit, not so much..), brought in the mix of "Snarky masked swinger" and "NYC's favorite son", and that's officially where the MCU picks up.
Fox should look to Sony and Universal as to WHY to let Marvel fix their own characters for them.

The whole mess of villains was supposed to follow on the planted line in the script that's supposed to set up the Sinister Six movie that ultimately never happened, but either you can get your Six OR you can do the iconic Goblin-kills-Gwen moment for fans' sake, but you don't stuff them ALL in, and then try to jam it down with one foot like an overstuffed suitcase!

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Re: SPIDEY 4 becomes AMAZING becomes Marvel's SPIDER-MAN

Postby Dacey » May 19th, 2017, 1:25 pm

What does this even mean?

They also note that Venom is from Sony’s Marvel Universe and is not a spinoff but the first movie after Spider-Man from its Marvel Universe of characters.

http://deadline.com/2017/05/venom-movie ... 202098343/

So...Sony is having their own "universe" spinning off from Marvel's? What?
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Re: SPIDEY 4 becomes AMAZING becomes Marvel's SPIDER-MAN

Postby Ben » May 19th, 2017, 6:10 pm

It's Arad and Pascal producing...waste of time after Homecoming.

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Re: SPIDEY 4 becomes AMAZING becomes Marvel's SPIDER-MAN

Postby Dacey » May 19th, 2017, 6:53 pm

But where exactly does this "universe" exist? Within Disney's universe? If it does, won't that open up more legal issues?
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Re: SPIDEY 4 becomes AMAZING becomes Marvel's SPIDER-MAN

Postby EricJ » May 19th, 2017, 8:18 pm

Dacey wrote:But where exactly does this "universe" exist? Within Disney's universe? If it does, won't that open up more legal issues?


Just legally outside of Disney's universe, featuring every single loophole that wasn't in the contract that gave Peter Parker back to Disney/Marvel.
Which is why the Venom movie will pretty much just be about Venom, and the hope of an animated Spiderman will be about the alternate Miles Morales canon.

Basically "Everything Sony CAN still do", just to thumb their nose back at the proper owners, and there just ain't that much left.
We might conceivably even see them try to reboot classic Ghost Rider again, just because Agents of SHIELD had to use the alternate canon.