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Re: Toy Story 4

Postby EricJ » June 9th, 2018, 6:42 pm

Ben wrote:A tough choice for Iger's Disney, but he couldn’t have let Rosanne go over a single tweet (however inflammatory) and then not addressed this situation in the same way. He’s now set a precedent that any kind of inappropriate behavior, be it racist, sexual or socially biased in any way, won’t be tolerated by the Mouse.

Some "fans" (the kind that love some things so much they kill them)


(Why thank you, Ben, we knew you didn't have anyone in mind with that bit of obsessively-hounding passive hostility... :roll: )

might not like these attitudes and how they affect a company's output (SJW stuff and the like) but Disney is heading in the right direction and largely doing the right thing. It may all feel a little "overkill" right now, but in time this will smooth itself out and real change will have occurred.
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It’s a soft comedown. His place is secured. As with Eisner, his contributions won’t be overlooked or dismissed, but they perhaps won’t be praised as much either. Any unwanted "attention" is wrong, but it’s not like he was Harvey here. Obviously we don’t know the whole story, but it’s a bit of a shame that he wasn’t reprimanded and given a lesser role...although that may have been offered and declined by him. Pretty hard for people like that to have to accept they’re not the boss anymore.


From the public division we've seen, Lasseter's firing--and ritual demonization as a Rabelaisian Hellbeast On Earth--has really brought the issue forward: How much IS "Too much"? Like the Three-Strikes Rule that puts people into no-parole life imprisonment alongside serial killers for three cases of drug possession when they should be getting treatment, when does an actor turn out to be racist white-trash or an executive a Weinstein-slimeball waste of oxygen, and when is he simply indulging in obnoxious behavior that might have been grudgingly tolerated five years ago, but needs a few updated weekend management-seminars upon today? Didn't our parents teach us to ACCEPT someone's apology as common courtesy?
Although a certain president may have beaten the term "Witch hunt" into the ground, it's still there in the dictionary to define a general zeitgeist in which one deserved success gives the hunters a little too much confidence to see what other big public sacred-cows they can "get", for the politicized sake of "getting" them, and then discrediting anyone who rushes to the victims' defense as the next worthless collaborator in cahoots. And having it be Noble Empowered Women hunting Evil Chauvinists doesn't put it on any more admirable level than Big Important Senators hunting imaginary Communists.
As one columnist put it, "MeToo" used to be a movement-name suggesting support, now it's become the Attention-hound phrase it always was.

The M2'ers are basically, and wishfully, thinking that anyone they snare in their bear trap IS Harvey Weinstein...And frankly, very few human beings on this earth could be.
And while Lasseter still has a few grudging enemies because of his early management style, those horror stories are only brought up now as an excuse to defend the bonfire-of-the-vanities--"See, we should have seen what a reprehensible no-good he was all along!"

Pretty excited that Pete Docter looks to be the guy to take on Pixar, although that probably means less screen goodness from him, although I’m less jazzed about Jennifer Lee doing the same for Disney. I’m still not sure I see where the steak of inspiration is there. And it’s clear that Lasseter will essentially be retained for the next six months as a handing over exercise, so he’s sure to use that time to line up his soldiers: maybe a return to directing is on the cards, or a bigger role at Imagineering? We haven’t seen the last of him, for sure. And not, frankly, that we should have (although, again, we don’t know the full story).


I remember when we were celebrating the ding-dong-witch-is-dead after Michael Eisner left the company, wondered who would be put in next, heard it would be Eisner's right-hand Bob Iger, and at first groaned as if we'd been had. Then, we heard about Iger's Oswald/ESPN swap, and thought "O-kayyy...Maybe this guy's probation's going to be pretty short, after all. :) "
That's pretty much the reaction to hearing Pete Docter in the running--He's got a good handle on what made the Toy Story movies so key to the companies' identity style, and "Inside Out" defined it. Disney/Pixar doesn't just get by on big property names, it's already identified in audience's minds as the studio that thinks differently, and thus delivers more original product than Warner or Sony...To most audiences, it's become literally the Last Studio They'll Still Go to See in Theaters, and you don't wanna lose that right now.

As for Jennifer Lee being he other obvious "Big name" being floated to Take Over The Studio, who's made an entire industry "Women in Hollywood!" movement out of one trendy and wishfully-misinterpreted hit (and one that was likely the delayed-reaction of audiences just finding out about Tangled and the New Renaissance, like Lion King should have given half its box office to Aladdin)...oyyy. You do NOT want a Lee-run Disney. Aside from guaranteeing more Frozen sequels, that was pretty much in the same ballpark of how "Gigantic" ended up in such a mess in the first place.
When you can smell the bits of "Wreck-It Ralph"'s screenplay that had to have come from the future Frozen director, you sort of prefer another one of Pixar's Old Men for the next few years on, who knows how to tell an actual story for everyone...
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Re: Toy Story 4

Postby Ben » June 9th, 2018, 7:57 pm

Actually, I was referring to the kind of guys that made that non-feminist cut of The Last Jedi and can’t handle "their" Star Wars being anything but what they want it to be.

Not everything is about you, Eric... :roll:

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Re: Toy Story 4

Postby EricJ » June 9th, 2018, 9:45 pm

Ben wrote:Actually, I was referring to the kind of guys that made that non-feminist cut of The Last Jedi and can’t handle "their" Star Wars being anything but what they want it to be.


(On a side note, do you honestly believe the complaints against Last Jedi were "feminist" ones?...Seriously??
Has it opened over there yet? :shock: )

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Re: Toy Story 4

Postby Ben » June 10th, 2018, 3:18 am

My problems with TLJ are far more than any feminist angle, which didn’t really bother me considering the shocking story structure and the throwing out of almost every strand established in the previous film, but it sure appears to have gotten to some, as I said, "fans":

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/j ... s-so-toxic

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Re: Toy Story 4

Postby ShyViolet » June 20th, 2018, 8:26 am

Just wanted to say that I think they chose his relplacements well (especially Pete Docter, who really knows how to bring out that “Classic Disney” feel.) Looking forward to seeing their plans for both studios
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