Daniel wrote:Pretty sure Ben isn't contradicting himself. The first quote is his stance, yes, but the second one is speaking in general, on why Belle is probably winning the poll.
Ah, and you were correct! I suspected it...but because Ben
sounded like he thought she was so much better than the other princesses, it sounded like she was his "winner".
Daniel wrote:Question, how come you put "(he)" after Aurora?
"He" as in "hehe" as in "haha". Because I changed Aurora to Aurors like Ben
coined the nickname Cinders. I thought she needed one, too, but it sounds silly.
Waaaay to much to comment on again, but just to clarify...Cinders and Aurora would be MY favorites.
I was just pointing out why Belle always seems to win these things.
There, no contradiction, and cleared up.
Hey, I thought last time you said you were going to repsond to what I said, just when you had time later. Oh well, at least you cared to read it. Thank you. Anyway, oops I was wrong, you got me... I admit I was being cocky because you made Belle sound so much better than everyone else. I also wanted to add that it's so annoying to me that Belle is known for being the smarter princess but all she does is read fairy tales that all the other princesses actually lived. She wants the same as them, yet she's different? I'll give that she hints at independence by not wanting the things Gaston wants for her, but she lives with a man and just goes to live with another man, where she becomes a wife and for all we know maybe she wouldn't mind having a lot of kids with the beast because she loves him. I'm not getting the feeling Belle hates the "little wife" idea in general, just that she hates being Gaston's
Oh yea, and sorry sorry, sorry again, I have to add something else.
Ben wrote:It's no wonder Belle does more for young females looking for empowerment than any of the other heroines.
If that's true, then why does she give up her freedom and independence and her life to live with the beast? Yes, yes, she did it for her father, but it's a...I believe the term is double-edged sword? It's good to teach girls to be kind, and do things for others, and make sacrifices, but it's not good to teach them to give up your whole life, willfully become a prisoner, and stay with an abusive man. It doesn't matter if she ignored what the beast said, he was still bad for her and she had no idea what he could do to her.
Oh, and this:
Ben wrote:So...once again, Belle is the only one who needn't depend on any others to get out there and find herself. This is clear from her reaction to Gaston...there's no way she would have married him. She would be a strong young woman even without the intervention of plot or the Beast.
Well, why didn't Belle do anything until her father left her and got in trouble? In my opinion Jasmine's the one who went out to find herself without anyone or anything else's intervention. And Ariel, too, accept for the fact that she had fins and couldn't do anything about that.
Once Upon A Dream wrote:
Dusterian-thanks for explaining,(Aurora and Cinderella (maybe Belle too,or even Aurora in the frist place with Ariel and Giselle) are my scecond favorite princesses
Yes, this makes me very happy!
Once Upon A Dream wrote:If they do get save once (the Princes get saved,too (and for example Philip was actually rescued after getting captured)) then the Princess are still their film's heroes,right? if they do,then it's allright,maybe it is saving.
i baiscally Agree about everything but didn't Snow White still needs someone? (and after all-i don't she whouldn't find another house).
Phillip was definately saved. The fairies released him from his imprisonment just like Belle or Cinderella, only he couldn't help or do anything at all and it was all up to the fairies. They also saved him numerously from death or harm as the escaped the castle, and even though it did take some part of his to defeat Maleficent, it was mostly taken care of by the fairies. That's something I really admire about Sleeping Beauty
: The prince needs help as much as the princess, and in a way, more so. In the film, both a man and a woman need saving, and woman save the man.
Of course the princesses are heroine of their film, they are the good main characters. And they could also be called the heros. If you click here
Dictionary.com's definition of a heroine works for all the princesses who have courage and ability, do some brave and noble things. If you click here
you find that the same applies to a hero, accept that it usually applies to a man. Just because the princesses don't fight with a sword or kill doesn't mean they aren't heros. But usually something really heroic is defeating someone or saving someone. Ariel defeated Glut the shark and Flotsam and Jetsam. Cinderella defeated her stepmother. Ariel saved Flounder and Eric. Cinderella saved the mice. Belle saved the Beast. There may be some things I'm forgetting, but that's what I can think of. Oh, and of course Mulan saved China. Did she defeat the villain or the Huns all by herself...? I don't remember.
I was confused with what you asked about Snow White. All the princesses had help sometimes, and did some things on their own other times.