New Scooby Doo movie defines being size 8 as a "curse"

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New Scooby Doo movie defines being size 8 as a "curse"

Post by ShyViolet » August 21st, 2014, 2:11 pm

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5694539? ... mg00000046


Ugh! What kind of message is this sending to kids??
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Re: New Scooby Doo movie defines being size 8 as a "curse"

Post by EricJ » August 21st, 2014, 3:23 pm

ShyViolet wrote:http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5694539? ... mg00000046
Ugh! What kind of message is this sending to kids??
Probably the one that Warner said they were: They were ALL "cursed", this was but one example.
Taken out, dried, and held up on a stick in public completely out of context in front of a lot of other gullible people who hadn't seen it yet either.

Also, as one reader pointed out, "our children" weren't meant to think it was terrible, Daphne thinks it's terrible....Because she would, being the one concerned with her appearance, get it?
Like the old "Susan's lipstick" complaint, it's not an author telling children to be superficial, it's portraying a character who is superficial.

(And seriously: A GUY complained?
Usually it's female "body issues" warriors who get upset over "The negative messages being deliberately sent to our children" if anyone so much as looks at a Size 6 askance.
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Re: New Scooby Doo movie defines being size 8 as a "curse"

Post by ShyViolet » August 21st, 2014, 5:03 pm

EricJ wrote: Probably the one that Warner said they were: They were ALL "cursed", this was but one example.
Taken out, dried, and held up on a stick in public completely out of context in front of a lot of other gullible people who hadn't seen it yet either.

Also, as one reader pointed out, "our children" weren't meant to think it was terrible, Daphne thinks it's terrible....Because she would, being the one concerned with her appearance, get it?
Like the old "Susan's lipstick" complaint, it's not an author telling children to be superficial, it's portraying a character who is superficial.
I'm sure there are many little girls who look up to Daphne. They're too young to understand "satire" or "exaggeration." They just take things the way they are presented, period. To them a cartoon reflects real values and beliefs; they're not able to just "shrug things off" the way we are.
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Re: New Scooby Doo movie defines being size 8 as a "curse"

Post by EricJ » August 21st, 2014, 5:29 pm

ShyViolet wrote:I'm sure there are many little girls who look up to Daphne. They're too young to understand "satire" or "exaggeration."
If she was in her trademark purple, maybe.
But here, they're dressing native in Frankenstein-Bavarian, and she's in a Frau Blucher dress, no less. I'd call that exaggeration, and certainly on a Scooby level.

(And for those jumping onto the thread who didn't read Warner's response:
The plot of the movie involves the Scooby gang becoming cursed and losing what means the most to each of them. Fred loses the Mystery Machine, Shaggy and Scooby lose their appetites, etc. Daphne loses her good looks (mainly her figure and her hair).
While Daphne is at first upset by the sudden change, there is a touching moment where Fred points out that he didn't even notice a change and that she always looks great to him.
At the end, when Velma explains how they figured out the mystery, she points out that the curse actually DIDN'T take away what means the most to each of them: their friendship.

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Re: New Scooby Doo movie defines being size 8 as a "curse"

Post by Randall » August 22nd, 2014, 12:30 am

Yeah, this looks to be a case of being too quick to judge.

Daphne learning that it's okay to be overweight doesn't sound like a terrible idea to me. Characters learn lessons all the time, often by having to face their own worst aspects--- in this case, vanity. This sounds like a positive lesson, and the story actually refutes the idea that "heavy is bad".

Of course, she looks waaaaaay bigger than a "size 8" in those pictures. If the movie actually describes her as a "size 8" when she is heavy, they are way off. THAT I'll hold them accountable for.

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Re: New Scooby Doo movie defines being size 8 as a "curse"

Post by Dacey » August 22nd, 2014, 6:52 pm

I don't want to make a mountain out of what may be a mole hole here, but...

Anorexia is a HUGE deal in the states right now. It is at its absolute worst, and many cases of it are never even reported. I've met multiple women who have the problem, and what they go through is largely triggered by public and media perception. Furthermore, cases of this are starting at young and younger ages. So for Scooby-Doo to make a "size 8" crack and call it "fat" is something that children really might not get. Adults will, but not kids.

And, to clarify, my ONLY problem with the movie Tangled is Gothel accusing Rapunzel of being chubby. As an adult, I get it. But to a child....they really shouldn't be given the impression that someone who looks like Rapunzel is even remotely overweight.
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Re: New Scooby Doo movie defines being size 8 as a "curse"

Post by ShyViolet » August 22nd, 2014, 8:14 pm

I agree Dacey...kids just don't have the cognitive tools to distinguish satire from reality or for that matter reality itself, to an extent. We can say: "oh, it's only a cartoon" or "it's not meant to be taken seriously" but children just don't have that power.
I do think that Fred loving Daphne despite her weight gain is a good lesson but young children would no doubt strongly identify with her and thus would carry over her obsession with her weight.
When I was ten I absolutely hated being a brunette (many more animated girls were blonde back then: Smurfette, Rainbow Brite, the list goes on) and watched the "blonde" song in Earth Girls Are Easy...I had no idea it was just a satire and truly thought it was mocking those with dark hair.
Like I said...children are extremely impressionable. Having Barbie and 99 percent of animated females have perfect bodies is bad enough. We don't need weight portrayed as a "curse" on a children's cartoon show even if it does supposedly "mock" Daphne's preoccupation.
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Re: New Scooby Doo movie defines being size 8 as a "curse"

Post by EricJ » August 22nd, 2014, 9:19 pm

Randall wrote:Of course, she looks waaaaaay bigger than a "size 8" in those pictures. If the movie actually describes her as a "size 8" when she is heavy, they are way off. THAT I'll hold them accountable for.
ShyViolet wrote:We don't need weight portrayed as a "curse" on a children's cartoon show even if it does supposedly "mock" Daphne's preoccupation.
But it IS a preoccupation, hence the line--The only way we specifically know it's a "Size 8" (especially when it doesn't look like one) is because she says it's one, and, well, she would comically isolate the complaint to micromanaged vanity issues that much...Like defeating a monster and then saying "OMG, he made me break a nail!"

Which, again, sounds like ONE line taken disingenuously out of context to promote other causes, and I'd expect it from any female group, but from a guy who wants to bend over backwards to female interests??
(C'mon, Tom, guys like us are usually the "sane" ones who do reality checks in story context every time girls beat up their personal issues on "symbolic" Disney or cartoon characters...I'm all for the Good Men project as much as anyone, but don't wuss out on us.)

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Re: New Scooby Doo movie defines being size 8 as a "curse"

Post by eddievalient » August 25th, 2014, 12:40 pm

Dacey wrote:My ONLY problem with the movie Tangled is Gothel accusing Rapunzel of being chubby. As an adult, I get it. But to a child....they really shouldn't be given the impression that someone who looks like Rapunzel is even remotely overweight.
ShyViolet wrote:I agree Dacey...kids just don't have the cognitive tools to distinguish satire from reality or for that matter reality itself, to an extent. We can say: "oh, it's only a cartoon" or "it's not meant to be taken seriously" but children just don't have that power.
So you're saying that animated films should ONLY be aimed at kids and should be dumbed down so that anything kids might be "confused" by is left out? I'm sorry, but I thought that in the year 2014, we'd finally gotten past this "think of the children!" moral guardian censorship nonsense. I guess not. Sigh.
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Re: New Scooby Doo movie defines being size 8 as a "curse"

Post by Dacey » August 25th, 2014, 2:20 pm

I don't think that's what I was saying at all.
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Re: New Scooby Doo movie defines being size 8 as a "curse"

Post by Mendoras » October 22nd, 2014, 9:24 am

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Re: New Scooby Doo movie defines being size 8 as a "curse"

Post by Ben » October 22nd, 2014, 12:12 pm

Wait...are you trying to tell us that Scooby is..."The One"...!? :shock:

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Re: New Scooby Doo movie defines being size 8 as a "curse"

Post by Dacey » October 22nd, 2014, 12:54 pm

"Roah..."

Hmmmmm. Not sure if that joke is going to land or not. But since Keanu Reeves is "the one," well... ;)
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Re: New Scooby Doo movie defines being size 8 as a "curse"

Post by Ben » October 22nd, 2014, 4:46 pm

No, Neo is The One. Keanu is just an actor. ;)

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Re: New Scooby Doo movie defines being size 8 as a "curse"

Post by EricJ » October 22nd, 2014, 5:46 pm

Ben wrote:No, Neo is The One. Keanu is just an actor. ;)
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