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Post by ShyViolet » June 18th, 2008, 8:03 pm

Antz was great in that it was sort of the CGI version of the traditionally animated, epic-y kind of film that DreamWorks was originally planning to make. It had that Indiana Jones/Jurassic Park/Sci-fi/adventure feel that JK always wanted for DreamWorks. The only difference was that it was in CGI, not classical animation--springing, of course, from the need to compete with Pixar. :?

It's funny about Antz because it sort of offers you a glimpse of the type of films that DreamWorks may very well had ended up making--very likely in 2d--if the whole CGI comedy/buddy film hadn't come along. Of course, DreamWorks could still have made those types of films, just in CGI--but the need to "keep up with Pixar" was just too strong. (not that all Pixar movies were strictly buddy films but they kind of started with that style/trend.)

There certainly are some basic similarities between the plot devices of ABL and Antz, but not the deeper themes. Plus, as recognizable and distracting as the celebrity voices would sometimes be in future DW films, Antz, like POE, was actually one of the DW movies where the celebrity voices blended perfectly with the characters. I think there's a very big difference between Woody Allen's performance/character in Antz and Jerry Seinfeld's in Bee Movie, which was basically an animated vehicle for Seinfeld. With Antz it was the other way around--Woody served the story, not vice versa.


K: "I know, I know!--And so, they somehow get separated from the colony, and have to help each other get back, and develop new respect for each other along the way...It's a road comedy, isn't it? Very Happy "

Actually, as wonderful and entertaining as ABL was, it was actually much more of a road/buddy comedy than Antz, which had a darker side.
Antz was our first clue--as far back as '98, when Dreamworks was only a year or two old-

Nah, DW was actually four years old by this point. :wink:
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Post by Once Upon A Dream » June 20th, 2008, 10:11 am

EricJ wrote:
Once Upon A Dream wrote:And this WAY too similar to A Bug's Life then Shark Tale/Finding Nemo,Madagascar/The Wild or Flushed Away/Ratatouille
(Uh, did we just hear you accuse an Aardman movie of being a Dreamworks movie?--
Please don't do that again...Even THEY didn't like it.) :wink:
I didn't said it's Dreamworks,I also didn't said that The Wild is Pixar,I also should have worte Robots/WALL-E.
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Post by EricJ » June 21st, 2008, 12:36 am

Once Upon A Dream wrote:
EricJ wrote:
Once Upon A Dream wrote:And this WAY too similar to A Bug's Life then Shark Tale/Finding Nemo,Madagascar/The Wild or Flushed Away/Ratatouille
(Uh, did we just hear you accuse an Aardman movie of being a Dreamworks movie?--
Please don't do that again...Even THEY didn't like it.) :wink:
I didn't said it's Dreamworks,I also didn't said that The Wild is Pixar,I also should have worte Robots/WALL-E.
No, you shouldn't have--
The point (whether or not you realized you were trying to make it) was the often commented-upon, um...similarity of Dreamworks projects to either Disney or Pixar, within a plausible timeframe of possibly having contact with production reports.
(And that's leaving aside any DNA paternity suits between "Spirit" and "Home on the Range, formerly Sweating Bullets", or "Sinbad" and "Treasure Planet".)

It's much less likely that Fox would've made "Robots" three years ahead of a movie that hadn't even announced pre-production yet, than that Dreamworks would've had the inspiration to make a animals-escape-NY-zoo movie similar to one that Disney was reportedly stalled on at the same general time...
We must establish means, as well as motive.

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Post by EricJ » June 21st, 2008, 12:45 am

Once Upon A Dream wrote:
EricJ wrote:
Once Upon A Dream wrote:And this WAY too similar to A Bug's Life then Shark Tale/Finding Nemo,Madagascar/The Wild or Flushed Away/Ratatouille
(Uh, did we just hear you accuse an Aardman movie of being a Dreamworks movie?--
Please don't do that again...Even THEY didn't like it.) :wink:
I didn't said it's Dreamworks,I also didn't said that The Wild is Pixar,I also should have worte Robots/WALL-E.
No, you shouldn't have--
The point (whether or not you realized you were trying to make it) was the often-commented-upon, um...similarity of Dreamworks projects to Disney or Pixar projects within a plausible time-period of allegedly hearing pre-production reports.
(And that's leaving out any disputed DNA paternity suits between "Spirit" and "Home on the Range, formerly Sweating Bullets", or between "Sinbad" and "Treasure Planet".)

For example, it's far less likely that Fox would've deliberately made "Robots" three years ahead of a movie that was barely in pre-production, than the idea that Dreamworks might make an animals-escape-NYC-zoo film suspiciously similar to the one that Disney was making headlines for stalling their production over, and slip past them to the finish line...
We must establish means and opportunity for the thefts, as well as motive. :)

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Post by Ben » June 21st, 2008, 5:49 pm

Whatever anyone thinks, two things are fact: Jeffrey Katzenberg left Disney in 1994 knowing that they were working on a NYC-set zoo animal comedy and that Pixar was working on a bug movie. There's nothing can change that fact that both projects were well known to him by the time he left.

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Post by ShyViolet » June 21st, 2008, 5:59 pm

No, I do believe that there is a connection--sorry, I should have specified. My post wasn't about whether or not he "borrowed" those ideas, (he probably did) but just commenting on Antz in general.
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Post by EricJ » June 21st, 2008, 9:56 pm

Ben wrote:Whatever anyone thinks, two things are fact: Jeffrey Katzenberg left Disney in 1994 knowing that they were working on a NYC-set zoo animal comedy and that Pixar was working on a bug movie.
And we should ignore the fact that ABL's original script title, while Katz was at Disney, was "Bugs" (no Z)
And may have had to later change theirs to avoid confusion with Katz's with-Z title.

(Or that '94 Katz would've also been aware of a serious Disney Mayan/Inca project that was stalling production over story, which would've also been on studio desks at the time.)
There's nothing can change that fact that both projects were well known to him by the time he left.
(Y'know, it's not even worth bringing out Simba/Kimba at this point?--
Sometimes, the butler just did it.) :?

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Post by Once Upon A Dream » June 23rd, 2008, 2:03 pm

EricJ wrote:
Once Upon A Dream wrote:
EricJ wrote: (Uh, did we just hear you accuse an Aardman movie of being a Dreamworks movie?--
Please don't do that again...Even THEY didn't like it.) :wink:
I didn't said it's Dreamworks,I also didn't said that The Wild is Pixar,I also should have worte Robots/WALL-E.
No, you shouldn't have--
The point (whether or not you realized you were trying to make it) was the often-commented-upon, um...similarity of Dreamworks projects to Disney or Pixar projects within a plausible time-period of allegedly hearing pre-production reports.
(And that's leaving out any disputed DNA paternity suits between "Spirit" and "Home on the Range, formerly Sweating Bullets", or between "Sinbad" and "Treasure Planet".)

For example, it's far less likely that Fox would've deliberately made "Robots" three years ahead of a movie that was barely in pre-production, than the idea that Dreamworks might make an animals-escape-NYC-zoo film suspiciously similar to the one that Disney was making headlines for stalling their production over, and slip past them to the finish line...
We must establish means and opportunity for the thefts, as well as motive. :)
Look-Shark Tale/Finding Nemo,Ratatouille/Flushed Away and etc. are just similar in basic idea (Rats,fishes etc.) and it's actually okay,can you compare between Sleeping Beauty and Over The Hedge? or The Sword In The Stone and Madagascar? no,they"re really different,but when it's a similar idea you can compare between them,but A Bug's Life/Antz are WAY similar in the story and even some parts (Like the main ant and the queen-to-be are stuck in a drop of water) and Ben also confirmed it.
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Post by Daniel » December 16th, 2008, 4:52 pm

Closest thing we had to A Bug's Life thread...

It's coming to Blu-ray this Spring! Although it's one of my least favorites, I'm exited for the news. I never got it on DVD, and was about to the other day, thank goodness I didn't!

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Post by Once Upon A Dream » December 17th, 2008, 8:15 am

Sounds great :D but what about the Finding Nemo Blu-Ray? and this is actually the first Pixar movie that was released before Cars who"ll be release be released on Blu-Ray.
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Post by Ben » December 17th, 2008, 10:56 am

Looks like they're going to go back and remaster from the beginning. Bugs, then Monsters, Nemo, etc, missing out the Toy Stories probably until the first two have had their 3D reissues and then all three will come out in one hit.

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Post by Daniel » December 17th, 2008, 3:29 pm

If the Pixar Story is any indication, (on the WALL-E BD) the picture quality will be nothing short of amazing.

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Post by Daniel » March 3rd, 2009, 9:28 pm

Here's early cover art:

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Well, that's not really new, the GC had the same exact cover. Still good, though. :)

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Post by Randall » March 3rd, 2009, 10:34 pm

I'll have to upgrade to Blu on these. They should look stunning in hi-def. I watched Monsetrs, Inc. last year on DVD, and was disappointed at how soft it looked now that I'm used to HD.

My DVDs are already on eBay!

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Post by Once Upon A Dream » March 4th, 2009, 7:36 am

The art doesn't look new.
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