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Re: Avengers and the MCU

Post by Ben » January 15th, 2020, 5:46 am

I don’t get you on Joker. Of course that’s a rival to the MCU...!?!!!??

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Re: Avengers and the MCU

Post by EricJ » January 15th, 2020, 6:41 pm

Ben wrote:
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I don’t get you on Joker. Of course that’s a rival to the MCU...!?!!!??
Warner did NOT make Joker so they could make a gritty Oscar-bait Scorsese-esque comment on Trump-era America. (The snooty name-director-for-hire who never read comic books in his life did, but that's another issue.)
Warner noticed that Sony made a fluke-load of money on "Venom", at the same time as pre-Disney Fox was announcing both a "Magneto" and a "(Dr.) Doom" spinoff movie, and finally figured out what to do with that not-Jared-Leto Suicide Squad spinoff they'd been tossing around for two years.

And every single one of them wanted that magic golden October slot that the first one got. For all three studios, it wasn't about a movie, it was about a RELEASE DATE.

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Re: Avengers and the MCU

Post by Ben » January 15th, 2020, 7:41 pm

Except that the script for Joker was started in 2016 and completed in 2017, a full eighteen months before Venom came out...in 2018...?

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Re: Avengers and the MCU

Post by EricJ » January 15th, 2020, 7:57 pm

Ben wrote:
January 15th, 2020, 7:41 pm
Except that the script for Joker was started in 2016 and completed in 2017, a full eighteen months before Venom came out...in 2018...?
The Dr. Doom movie, however, and the implied MCU-rival "trend" it was supposed to start...had been rumoring its existence for a VERY long time.
And the timing of Warner starting their script after "Why didn't they like Suicide Squad?" is conspicuously noted.

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Re: Avengers and the MCU

Post by Ben » January 16th, 2020, 5:32 am

But your argument was that Warners looked at Venom's grosses and thought they could do the same with Joker.

Which, ironically, they did, and then some...but not in that order.

I still say Maleficent has a lot to answer for, as well as Disney announcing the Star Wars backstory movies, plus the fact that the superhero cycle is now starting to crack, creatively at least, by resorting to what are basically spin-offs for supporting characters. A few years ago — and not actually that very long ago — these films would have been lucky to have even made it as animated direct to video titles!

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Re: Avengers and the MCU

Post by Daniel » January 23rd, 2020, 7:30 pm

Captain Marvel 2 officially in the works and will be set in present day.

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Re: Avengers and the MCU

Post by Daniel » February 5th, 2020, 2:50 pm

Poster for The New Mutants:

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"We know all your secrets"

;)

Lazy but creative in a way...

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Re: Avengers and the MCU

Post by Ben » February 5th, 2020, 7:14 pm

Or not...

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Re: Avengers and the MCU

Post by Daniel » February 5th, 2020, 7:23 pm

Yep, that came to mind, hence the Simpsons quote: ;)


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