Disney Pixar Discussion

Post by **Christian** » January 29th, 2006, 8:03 pm

When I went to the Cinderella DVD premiere there were a ton of little kids there who were extremely excited over it.

Post by **ShyViolet** » January 29th, 2006, 8:39 pm

BTW I thought the line in Toy Story 2 about the Buzz Lightyear doll: "Back in 1995, short-sighted retailers didn't order enough dolls" to be somewhat self-congratulatory and very out of place. And the whole thing with Barbie dolls as sex symbols "having a party" with the Toy Story gang staring at them slack jawed to be pretty sexist. I didn't like it. What kind of message does that send to little girls?

The Barbie doll thing also reminds me of the sexy mermaid in Knick Knack. Originally I think she was topless...good thing those Barbies weren't.

Post by **Sullivan** » January 29th, 2006, 10:26 pm

The mermaid and the bathing beauty weren't topless.

But they did have big bazooms. With little pokey nipples. It was embarrassing.

Until the dvd reissue.

Post by **James** » January 29th, 2006, 10:48 pm

I didn't say the old classics were no good. I said storytelling and animation have just gotten better. And yes, the appeal to younger kids is different than the appeal to us older animation fans. Of course they don't care about the history. But let's be honest. To 99.9% of them Cinderella 2 was just as good if not better than the original! And I'm sure there were lots of excited kids at Rugrats in Paris!

Post by **James** » January 29th, 2006, 10:51 pm

ShyViolet wrote:BTW I thought the line in Toy Story 2 about the Buzz Lightyear doll: "Back in 1995, short-sighted retailers didn't order enough dolls" to be somewhat self-congratulatory and very out of place. And the whole thing with Barbie dolls as sex symbols "having a party" with the Toy Story gang staring at them slack jawed to be pretty sexist. I didn't like it. What kind of message does that send to little girls?

The Barbie doll thing also reminds me of the sexy mermaid in Knick Knack. Originally I think she was topless...good thing those Barbies weren't.

And the girls in Shrek 2 wanted to see Shrek naked and have sex with him. And there are more in jokes and pop culture references per minute in Shrek 2 and Shark Tale than in every Pixar film combined. What's the point? Really, this whole DreamWorks is all good, and Pixar is all evil spiel is really old now! You're really reaching on this one.

Post by **Dacey** » January 29th, 2006, 11:09 pm

Okay, how did this become another "DreamWorks Vs. Pixar" thread?

Post by **ShyViolet** » January 29th, 2006, 11:21 pm

I wasn't trying to say Pixar was evil or DW is good...just that I don't always care for everything in Pixar films. You don't hear much on their flaws, and I think someone should at least be somewhat critical on something that millions of kids have seen.

I don't like everything in DW films either...I agree that there are too many references, especially to sexual topics. I much prefer the 2d films like Spirit and Sinbad to Shrek. I hope they go back to the 2d/classic tale films. I freely admit that there are things I find offensive in DW films, and if I had the power to take them out, I would.

Post by **Sullivan** » January 29th, 2006, 11:26 pm

FWIW, I don't find it sexist to have male characters attracted to female characters.

Romantic or beauty-attraction is a fact of life. It's not sexist. It's not even sexual unless you want to see it that way.

Look at Rex and Slinky and Ham as just being Twitterpaited about Barbie. Dropped jaws is not sexist.

Post by **Christian** » January 30th, 2006, 4:16 am

Somehow I think what the Toy Story characters felt about Barbie was something different than what Bambi felt about Faline. They were more like old men leering at a young woman.

Post by **Ben** » January 30th, 2006, 5:59 am

Sullivan wrote:The mermaid and the bathing beauty weren't topless. But they did have big bazooms. With little pokey nipples. It was embarrassing. Until the dvd reissue.

Um...yeah, they had big bazooms, but no pokey nipples. They were exaggerated female lampoons, not anything "embarrasing". Imagine Pamela Anderson as a mermaid and you've pretty much got it.

The original 1989 version of KnickKnack is on the CAV LaserDisc boxed set of Toy Story.

Post by **Sullivan** » January 30th, 2006, 12:33 pm

This image doesn't really prove the pokie issue. It's unclear. I may be seeing what I want to see.

But this image clearly, ahem, suggests that the water is cold:

Post by **Macaluso** » January 30th, 2006, 1:41 pm

I think we ALL know what this merger means...

Aww yeah, that's right.

Post by **Meg** » January 30th, 2006, 2:35 pm

That is too funny.

Post by **Ben** » January 30th, 2006, 4:21 pm

The original still looks better though, and ups the reason the Snowman is so desperate to get to the girls.

BTW, I still don't think a starfish can be called evidence that it's "cold"

The LD certainly doesn't show anything too obvious up.

Post by **Sullivan** » January 30th, 2006, 4:34 pm

Them's some pointy starfish!

But I'll defer to your eyes, since you have the laserdisc handy.

And I agree that the pose looks really akward on that bathing beauty without a chest. Why exactly is she pushing out that flat chest of hers?